Jim: Hey, Knit A Spell fans.
Jim: I am so excited. I'm so excited because Me Too.
Jim: We have the Reverend, doctor I don't know if he's a Reverend Elliot Adam. On our show today. Yay. Woo!
Elliot: Thank you both so much for having me on.
Elliot: This is so exciting.
Elliot: And to answer your question, yes, I was a reverend. I actually officiated my sister's wedding way back in 2006. So I've been ordained since then.
Jim: Dr. Reverend Elliot. Adam is here as our guest today. I love it.
Elliot: Oh my God, that's so funny.
Jim: Dr. Elliot. Adam is the award-winning author of, Fearless Tarot if you don't have his first book.
Jim: It is 100% required reading for anyone who is interested in tarot because it takes all of the quote unquote scary cards or even anything that's remotely scary about tarot, and flips it on its ear and helps you understand the true and deeper meanings of the cards.
Jim: I use it as one of my. Trusted resources for tarot all the time.
Jim: But what Dr. Adam is really here for is his new Tarot In Love, and since it's February the month when we have the sometimes dreaded, sometimes adored Valentine's Day, we thought, what a perfect month to have you on and talk about Tarot In Love.
Jim: Welcome to Knit A Spell, Elliot. I'm so glad you're here.
Katie: Yay.
Elliot: I am so thrilled.
Elliot: Thank you Katie and Jim so much for having me on, and I'm just excited to talk about the new book as well. So let's dive on into it.
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Katie: Before we get started on the book, why don't you go ahead and tell everybody a little bit about your magical background.
Elliot: Sure.
Elliot: Like a lot of children, I loved fairy tales and myths and legends, and you could often find me as a kid in the library and I would just take out any book on mythology that I could get my hands on.
Elliot: I fell in love with this goddess named Athena, who wore a helmet and, was war-like and wise, and carried an owl with her. I used to draw owls all the time . So then flash forward, many years, when I was about 16 or so, I was going through an attic in a house that I lived in. and I found a deck of tarot cards there.
Elliot: And as I was going through the pack, I was seeing these archetypal images like the Empress or the Queen of Rods. And I'm thinking, Ooh, who's the queen of Rods? Or the Queen of Cups? And I was thinking, this is so familiar. This is so in alignment with what I always loved as a kid. But now these are telling a story and they're interacting with something deep within me.
Elliot: So I just started reading cards and I got known in my neighborhood. And then a little tea house hired me as a 16 year old kid to do a psychic fair and they loved me and I was a hit. There's where my journey with tarot started. And as far as magic is concerned, I was a voracious reader of books in the nineties by Silver Ravenwolf.
Elliot: I just loved her To Ride A Silver Broomstick, and I loved her little chapter that was like I think she said, you mean I get to pick my own deities? And it just occurred to me like, yeah, I get to pick my own path. I don't have to follow something that's dogmatic or oppressive. I can do something that's more unique to my own path and follow my own truth.
Elliot: It's a long-winded answer, but that's how it all started.
Jim: Initially the tarot appealed to you because of this connection to myth, and I imagine as a kid there was that attention or for me, I think about we want to do something special, or we want to feel the power or the magical like mythic power.
Jim: But what have you noticed as an adult reading tarot? Versus as a child, what's the biggest difference ? I
Elliot: think I've had a long time to think about it and write about it.
Elliot: And I think as a child you're just jumping in and you're just doing what comes natural. You're not self-correcting or trying to get the correct meaning for a card or looking at what other people are doing and thinking may I'm doing this wrong, or maybe I should do more of this.
Elliot: I think what's different as an older person is that. Now I can conceptualize well, what was happen as a kid? And what happens now as adults when we look at these images? Because for me, tarot is a language of symbols. And our inner self, our higher self the part of us that's deepest it doesn't speak in a link, a language that's literal, like the one I'm using right now. It uses images.
Elliot: Images are our first written language, the hieroglyphs or even just what we painted on the cave walls at the beginning of civilization. So these pictures, they speak to something that's deeper within us.
Elliot: And later after studying, other books on archetypes or myths or Joseph Campbell and Jung you start to see, oh, that's what I was doing all that time as a kid. I was dialoguing with these mythic primordial archetypes that have been with humanity since the beginning of time.
Elliot: Now I can underst. What was going on? So I think what's changed is just the concept of how it all works and and also, I don't know, your own life experiences, your maturity, your wisdom. You're dealing with loss and gain and love and hate. All of it goes into informing your card reading skills.
Elliot: I think.
Elliot: Sure. Of course, right? Yeah.
Katie: A picture is worth a thousand words. So that kind of makes sense that it would just fill it in no matter what your context might have been, either as a kid or as an adult.
Katie: After you wrote Fearless Tarot, it's a great book for anyone who is beginner level or advance. How did you then find yourself to have Tara in Love being your second book?
Elliot: As a reader the number one question I get asked about, Is love. Relationships.
Elliot: When am I gonna meet somebody? Is the person I'm with? The one for me.
Elliot: Sometimes readers get asked this so often. It can even get a little annoying. I write about this in Tara in Love. You'll get the client who is with the absolute worst human being, so abusive, so negative, and they're calling the terror reader and they want the terror reader to tell them that this relationship's okay.
Elliot: And that actually everything's gonna be fine. They just have to stick it out. And it doesn't matter if you're going through abuse, you're in love, which somehow makes you someone who should stick in this through thick and thin and no matter what you're going through. And I was having a conversation in the yard with my sister and that's how this book got started.
Elliot: And we were talking about relationship readings, and I was saying, why is it that people are asking about these questions with individuals who aren't respecting them or caring for them? What is that saying to them? And then I had to remember, Oh, I remember a time in my life before I got married when I was looking for love and I was accepting all sorts of relationship behavior that was subpar.
Elliot: Because I didn't really know, number one, my own worth. And I also didn't know how a healthy, functional relationship should transpire. And so I was thinking, you know what? I think I'd like to write a book to my younger self, the version of me that was long ago looking for love. Just desperate to find that, and who had to find out that love doesn't come first to validate you, and then your life is happily ever after. Oftentimes what we learn is that we have to go toward our own best life. We have to go through this journey of loving ourselves, warts, and all, everything that we don't like, and to really get so enthusiastic about our own that we put out a different frequency.
Elliot: Because people who come to me for a love reading and are desperate, when am I gonna meet him? I just wanna have a relationship. Do you realize you're going out into the world with that energy and people can perceive that? Isn't that repellent? If someone was like that to you, wouldn't you be like, get away.
Elliot: I don't want your needy clingy energy. Ugh.
Elliot: But if you are someone who's saying, you know what? I am involved in school right now. I'm building a business. I have this wonderful job. I love my life so much, I'm gonna go travel. I have so much fun in my daily life that I don't need somebody to complete me.
Elliot: I'm having a great time. I love me, and if I meet someone, great, that's a cherry on the Sunday, but I'm not looking at this relationship as my last meal.
Elliot: It's a totally different vibe, and when you're in that space, You attract love. It's like magic. People are like, who is that? What kind of energy do they have? I wanna get to know that person. They're powerful, they're confident.
Elliot: So I wrote Tarot in Love to address the energy we bring into our relationships. To make people self-aware. The book can tell you a lot about what another person might be feeling about. But what it more can teach you is what do you need to learn about yourself?
Elliot: Why is this annoying card coming up over and over in your love reading that you're not wanting to hear? What is that saying about you? Because if you can get your breakthrough, the relationship's gonna follow suit.
Katie: A great example of this is watch, Ooh, try to watch any episode of Love Island. These are some desperate people.
Katie: One of the questions we wanted to ask, which I think you just covered, was why is it the number one question?
Katie: Why is love number one?
Elliot: I think that for many people there is a desire to meet someone who really relates to you. That you can utterly be yourself around and that you don't have to be afraid is gonna abandon you.
Elliot: You don't have to sit by the phone and wonder are they gonna text back. You don't have to run to a tarot reader and say, does this person care because they let you know. They let you know from the beginning, I'm not playing games, I wanna be with you. Let's do this. So I do believe there is a desire for that for some people.
Elliot: Some people are happily single and all the power to them too. If you love your independence and you were married and you don't wanna go back to that cuz it was a disaster or whatever, and you just enjoy friendships and companionship that. Go for it. So everybody's different, but I think love questions that are fear-based often come up because the person's thinking of the future, they're not in the present.
Elliot: If I don't get a relationship, will I have a child? If I don't meet the person Now will I ever meet them? These are fears and that kind of approach to a love reading can be very disempowering. It can take away everything from you. And that's one of those pitfalls that I like to have people avoid.
Jim: I love how every card really is described in a way that is about you. I don't allow my clients for palmistry to ask about another person. It's easy because I'm reading their palm. And I always have an excuse to say, oh, if you want to find out about Johnny, I have to read his palm.
Jim: So I have a little bit of an out. But I love how you really orient this towards Hey, what do you need to learn from that Night of swords? And you do this throughout the book, it's a fantastic format.
Elliot: Thank you. Yeah.
Elliot: The intro paragraph to every card could be applied to another person or a relationship situation you're asking about. And then we have the different categories that are specific to your question or situation. But always with Taran love, the end of the chapter is, okay, if this didn't make sense about this person, and if it didn't make sense with your situation, then this has to do with you, doesn't it?
Elliot: So what is this card teaching you about you? And that's where people get stuck sometimes. And to also piggyback off of something you said yes, this really is all about you, isn't it. Relationships for me, they're mirrors. And at different times in our lives, we tend to attract certain partners that are meant to be at that time to reveal something very important about us.
Elliot: And relationships aren't there to, fill this need in you or make you reassured about your own worth or value. They're there to teach. And whether it's a dysfunctional relationship or a highly functional relationship, there's a lesson in there.
Katie: Absolutely. Sometimes you have to find out what you don't want in order to know what that is.
Elliot: Absolut, absolutely. Yes. Absolutely. Yeah. Trial and error for sure.
Jim: You also need to see a pattern show up repeatedly of what you don't want and hear your tarot reader say. Why do you keep getting the tower? You got that last time. You got that.
Jim: The time before you got the time before?
Katie: Look at your life, look at your choices. What are you doing? Yes. Yes.
Katie: All right, let's take a quick break and when we come back we will finish up with Dr. Elliot Adam.
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Katie: And we're back. Let's start by talking about how your book is great, because like we were saying before the break, it addresses a lot of pitfalls in relationship readings.
Katie: Can you give us a little overview on why you decided to include that section in particular?
Elliot: Yes.
Elliot: I think of my own pitfalls with giving myself relationship readings in the past or even with clients that come now. One example of a pitfall is letting your ego run the reading or your fear run the reading. Rather than letting your best. Go through the reading.
Elliot: Our ego or fear, it'll pick a card to answer a question and it will very superficially dismiss the message if it isn't what it wants to see. It will then go through card after card until it finds the message it wants. For example is he coming back? The tower. No.
Elliot: Okay. But will he come back in six months? The death card. No, he's not coming back. Okay, but will he text me some? The Ace of Swords. It looks promising. Maybe he's gonna but will he then wanna meet with me again? Two of cups. Ooh, that looks better. Wait a second. I just picked the tower and the death card, and now I'm getting the two of cups.
Elliot: Why are the cards contradicting themselves? I don't get what's going on. It's okay, slow down. You are nothmm looking at your message. You're completely letting your fear or your ego run the reading. Whereas when you're letting your best run the reading. You can ask a question and you can get the tower and you can say, okay, I'm uncomfortable with this.
Elliot: Let's lean into that. Why is this making me so uncomfortable? Why am I so quick to reject this message? And then if we can start dialoguing what's going on with the tower? Something's breaking down. This is also maybe a breakdown of being in denial. You're coming back down to earth.
Elliot: There's some pain here we need to look at . Then when you're starting to dialogue on that deeper level with the tarot, it's cathartic. It's healing. It's not a bad card, good card situation. It's something that's teaching you something deep about you. And then you can walk out of any reading, even with a card like the tower or the death card.
Elliot: And you can avoid the pitfall, you can get the message, you can go through life with a better response. Rather than just this fear-based response.
Elliot: So I feel that pitfalls tend to come from letting your fear run things or taking cards over and over, or getting obsessive. Or just trying to hammer your cards to give you the answer that you demand to see when it's not the truth and you deep down know it's not true.
Elliot: So it's all about being brave enough to be honest with yourself.
Katie: That's a great point. I even now still find myself giving my own readings, and I'll flip one and be like, mm. and as soon as I go to flip the other, I'm like, okay, calm down.
Elliot: Yep. Yep. We all do. It is what it is. We all do it because they're symbolic wake up calls. They're hitting a nerve for a reason and they're touching on that fear because that fear needs to be unearthed and dealt. And when we deal with those fears and we walk through 'em and we understand them, and we maybe link them up to maybe there's some trauma here, maybe there's something emotionally incomplete in you that you need to reinforce or better yourself through.
Elliot: It gives you all the power back. It's just a way better way to go through readings and a better way to go through life, in my opinion.
Jim: And I love how if you have that lean into the tower will he come back to me, lean into you how you're reacting to the tower, it puts the death card in a completely different context around death of transformation.
Jim: Death that it is really over. You can now fertilize something new.
Jim: It's fascinating just to look at those two different ways of one leads to why are the cards contradicting each other and the other leads to, there's actually a message for you.
Elliot: I, but you have to accept it. You have to slow down, as she said, and you have to say, okay I'm not gonna reject this.
Elliot: I'm gonna look at this. There's something I'm learning here. And that's why it's hard to read yourself, isn't it? You know? Mm-hmm. when we're giving readings to other people, doesn't it seem so much easier? It's so clear what this person needs to know, but when it comes to ourselves, we're all guilty of it.
Elliot: We look at certain cards and we think, oh, I don't want that, that, that's bad. And I'm rejecting that. And then it's no, I gotta catch myself. I gotta remember, I'm learning too, and it's tough. It's something we're all working on. I think as readers.
Jim: What does my husband say?
Jim: Here, take my advice. I'm not using it.
Katie: Even worse or maybe not worse, but I also find that when that happens, I can sense myself telling them the thing I need to hear and then I was this reading meant for both of us because Yes, I hear what I'm saying. I know what I'm saying. Yes.
Elliot: yes. Sometimes that is both ways that is meant for both of you.
Elliot: And I find that true with me as well. I have that in common with you. I'll be doing a reading for somebody else and the advice just flows out and I'm like, wait a second. I could be using that advice that's talking about me as well. And so that kind of circles back to that tarot and love concept too.
Elliot: It's yeah, we're asking about this other person, but doesn't this really have something to teach us about us as well? Simultaneously. So yeah it's fascinating.
Tarot In Love Subcategories
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Katie: Another part about your book that's really helpful is that much like how, a traditional tarot book would break down different parts of the cards that are to your career and then to your love, and then to this and that.
Katie: You have it all broken down about love, obviously, but in more detail. So you have about new relationships, long-term relationships, intimacy, et cetera. And I love that you put intimacy because it's a great reminder. Not all relationships are sexual, there's a lot of friendships and all sorts of things how did you figure out what type of subcategories you wanted to break down for each card?
Elliot: Oh, I find that tarot is contextual and for example, if you are just entering a new relationship and you're interested in this woman and you don't know who she is yet, and you pick the fool card.
Elliot: That would mean something very different than if you were in a 10 year marriage with somebody and it's your husband and you pick the fool card. It's a totally different message because it's a different context. And so what I wanted to do was approach relationship questions that covers bases. So we're not just pigeonholing one, meaning for every person it's a carbon copy, stamp out.
Elliot: But. , I wanted the book to be user-friendly so you could go to the part that pertains to your situation and then let go of the stuff that just doesn't apply. And so I came up with after, having 20 different categories I wanted to go into, I had to narrow 'em down, for clarity.
Elliot: And my wonderful publisher at Llewelyn and Barbara Moore was really helpful with also cleaning up the book and really getting it distilled down. Those basic little nuggets. But now the book has five different categories, which are the new relationship, the long-term partnership intimacy advice for when you're single, and then also desires so that you can apply the situation to your particular Your card that you.
Elliot: So helpful. it's genius.
Finding Love in 'Non-Love' Cards
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Katie: Jim and I were reflecting on this earlier, many cards are obviously associated with love. The lovers and all of that, even
Elliot: negatively. Yeah, exactly.
Jim: The three of swords. Like people say, oh, heartbreak, duh.
Katie: But how did you go about figuring meanings for the cards that are less obvious in terms of love?
Jim: Yeah. And what might some of those be?
Elliot: I'll go one bigger the entire pentacle suit. When you're online and you're wanting to ask about a relationship and then you're looking up the six of Pinnacles you're getting financial advice from these websites and you're not asking about money.
Elliot: And Pentacles aren't always about monetary gain and career and all that.
Jim: Yeah. Until you and your husband are fighting over
Elliot: finances, you can, it can be absolutely. But in a beginning of a relationship, unless you're both already squabbling over who, pays the bill or whatever, that's not gonna come up.
Elliot: And for me, Pentacles, they don't have just to do with money. They have to do with our sense of worth, value. They have to do with also, our sense of emotional currency. One card to answer your question that no one would associate it with love. And in fact, I got a stumped, a few years back when a client asked me about her relationship and I picked the six of pentacles and all the other cards were saying, this isn't a good relationship.
Elliot: But her card was the six of Pinnacles. And for the listeners who don't know what that is on the Ryder Waite Smith deck,
Elliot: there's this merchant who's giving these coins to these beggars. And it means generosity, support, kindness, giving something of yourself to others. That sounds very noble, doesn't it?
Elliot: And when a dysfunctional relationship's going on, and I'm getting the six of pinnacles, That doesn't mean that in this situation, again, tarot is contextual. So I had to stop and I had to look at the picture and what's going on there. There's a beggar begging for scraps from this person who's just giving a few poultry coins.
Elliot: And I said, in your relationship, your partner's holding all the power and you're begging for whatever scrap you can.
Elliot: And when you go into your relationships as a beggar, it's desperate and you're gonna be treated like a beggar. And so it totally was a paradigm shift for, how do I interpret the six of Pinnacles in a love reading? It's totally different. It's showing an unequal power dynamic. One person's holding all the power and the other person is not feeling worthy, valuable enough.
Elliot: They don't feel like they can speak up.
Elliot: And knowing that, that client said to me, I don't wanna beg for this person to love me. And I said, then you need to stop it. You need to stop waiting for the text. You need to stop waiting for this person to come back after they've disrespected you because you're the beggar on the card and that's not healthy for you.
Elliot: And I said, you should be getting angry about that. You know that's horrible that someone's treating you like that. How dare they? It totally changed her energy. She broke up with that person. We gotta look at the symbols and not just perceive them from what the guidebook said that we grew up with.
Elliot: Oh six of Pinnacles. It's always generosity. Look at what the picture's showing you. The picture is worth a thousand words. I
Jim: imagine even if you were to read it the other way, where I'm the wealthy person giving coins. Do I want a lover who is sucking me dry or begging
Elliot: Exactly.
Elliot: And out of power.
Jim: Yeah. So either way, in that card, there's an unequal of power in that relationship.
Jim: That is genius.
Elliot: It's all in the book, so you gotta look at the other cards too. Or just pick one.
Tarot in Love is a Conversation Starter
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Elliot: I find that this book is really fun. I've been married for we just celebrated 12 years together in January. I know, it's amazing. It's been that long. But when we got the book, at first, we opened it up and then we took out a tarot deck.
Elliot: And then I said, you pick a card and let's test out the book and see how well it works. And I'll pick a card, and we picked these cards and had an amazing conversation about things that really weren't getting vocalized or spoken about in our own relationship that made us look at things in a different way and really brought us closer together.
Elliot: So I encourage anyone who gets the book, play with it, have fun, even use it with your friends and, look at their relationships and see if it resonates. It's fun.
Jim: It's a great exercise for couples or throttles or quadruples or friends.
Elliot: Anything you got.
Creating Tarot Spreads
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Katie: Another part of your book that I really enjoyed is about creating tarot spreads. I feel like I'm a creative person, but it's something that I always struggle with is finding a framework in order to build questions that actually make any sense.
Katie: You have some great examples in your book, so I was curious about what your process is in order to create successful spreads?
Elliot: My process is to identify the knowledge that you desire. A reading is for asking questions and getting an answer that reflects to something deep within you. So what am I struggling with? There's where we start.
Elliot: What's the issue? What is it that I'm not understanding here? And then that could be our theme of our spread, and then we can just pick things apart and go into the different aspects of that. I love designing your own spread because it cuts to the chase. You don't have to go through someone else's materials and their spread and hope that you get to the answer you're looking for.
Elliot: You can just start out with some parameters and really organize that information and get the answer you're looking for quicker. And the spread can be one card, or it could be 10 cards, or it could be 20 cards. It's really up to you.
Elliot: What I think spreads are useful though for is creating some parameters.
Elliot: So if the cards are the soul of your reading the spread is the skeletal system. It gives it structure, it organizes the information, as I was saying, tarots contextual. So if you have a spread position that gives you context, it tells you how this card is supposed to be interpret in order to answer this question that the spread position deals with.
Elliot: So it really hones in that tarot message towards something specific for you. And anyone can make a tarot spread. You don't have to work with tarot for many years. You just have to identify what's the big question mark in your own heart, what's unresolved? Make it personal and don't reject what you see right away.
Elliot: As we said earlier, it might not be the answer you're looking for, but it's the answer you need.
Katie: Great point. Yes indeed. Yeah, I love that.
Katie: Before we go, I know you shared at least a couple of stories with us already, but I was wondering if you had another perhaps memorable, love related reading story that you could share with us?
Elliot: The one that comes to mind is the one I told.
Elliot: I can just think of all the readings I used to do for myself when I was lost and looking for love and didn't really find that I was finding it. I think I, yeah, I would just say that the big story, the big thing that I would find is, I was thinking that the love needed to come first for my life happily ever after to start.
Elliot: And what I ended up getting in my messages over and over again was focus on your career. Focus on your work life. Go and travel go to that school in that other state see what happens. And the love's just gonna follow. It's gonna follow your bliss.
Elliot: So I think the major lesson I learned from fumbling through my own love cards is Follow Your Bliss as Joseph Campbell says.
Elliot: And once you find it don't let go of it. It's going to lead to more wonders than you can imagine.
Jim: Oh, I love that. It's so beautiful. What?
Elliot: So true. Awesome. Elliot.
Jim: What's next for you? Tell us the tea.
Katie: The year is young, but I'm sure there's more on deck.
Elliot: I'll let you in on a little thing we're considering.
Elliot: We don't know for certain. We won't tell
Jim: anyone. It'll just be on the internet forever.
Elliot: Okay good. We haven't made the final decision, but my husband is very brilliant at computers and he just got accepted into a program for cybersecurity. In England. So I may be moving to England in 2023 to, support him in his studies and also just to enjoy England.
Elliot: I got obsessed with English history during the pandemic. I just was researching everything I could find out about it. I'm excited that might be happening this September. We're gonna travel there first in May. Look at everything and see if Canterbury is going to be the place that we wanna settle down the next year or two. Wow.
Katie: So exciting and so much closer to Greece!
Elliot: Yes, I know. I can't wait. I know. It'll be just a quick little hop over the pond there. Wow. That
Jim: means we have to go to Milwaukee this year and then to London.
Elliot: Twist my arm. Yes, absolutely. Come on Katie. What are we doing, ? Yeah. 2024 Jolly ol' England.
Elliot: Yep. Knit A Spell on location.
Katie: We'll see. That'll be fun.
Contact Elliot!
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Katie: And so where can people find out more about you? What social media do you have? Do you have a newsletter? What kind of classes and events? Tell 'em everyth.
Elliot: You bet.
Elliot: If you wanna know what I'm up to, you can always go to
Elliot: elliotoracle.com. That's my website.
Elliot: It's also a really great resource for free tarot meanings.
Elliot: They're very popular. If you're struggling with a card, meaning you can just type in
Elliot: Elliot Knight of Swords and on the internet, it'll be the first thing.
Elliot: You just click on that and I have so much free content and videos online that you can look at, and you can always check me out at social media.
Elliot: My Instagram handle is Elliot Oracle. Please keep in mind on Instagram, I do not DM followers. There's a lot of scam artists on Instagram or stealing people's pictures, and then they're changing the handle name by one. And trying to tell people that they're going to offer them a free reading or, give them money for this and they just need to be aware of that.
Elliot: But Instagram, I have weekly Oracle reveal videos where people pick piles and cards and then I interpret them. And I also have little daily card draws that give you advice for the day. Just check out Elliot Oracle online anywhere. You're gonna find a lot of me out.
Katie: And we'll be sure to link everything in our show notes as well for easy access.
Jim: Remember, you can also get a tarot reading. you're still booking tarot readings, aren't you?
Elliot: Oh, absolutely. Yeah, for sure. If you wanna book a reading with me, you can also go to elliotoracle.com.
Jim: One of the best things I ever did getting yes, getting a tarot reading from Elliot Oh, was mindblowing.
Elliot: Let's not go into your palm reading. The feeling is mutual and just that energy I had with you, it was just so cool how we were just bouncing back and forth. Yeah. Mutual admiration in society. I love it. Oh, I love it. I love it too.
Jim: His tarot readings changed me. It was so amazing.
Jim: So don't miss the opportunity to get a tarot reading from Elliot because sometimes when authors get a lot of books under their belts they might stop doing terror readings or there's other authors that have stopped doing that Don't miss
Jim: that
Katie: while the get's good.
Katie: Yeah. Yeah.
Jim: While he's young, and fresh and not jaded.
Elliot: oh my God.
Katie: Before he retires to Greece. Never do even from again. Yeah.
Jim: Both Elliot's books. Tarot in Love and Fearless Tarot are must reads. These are not only reads, but they are resources.
Jim: Yes, you can use this in lieu of the little white book that you get with your tarot deck. And it is an amazing deep dive into everything you need to know in love readings.
Jim: I think this along fearless Tarot you have everything you need to read Tarot in those two books. So check it out, get it from your local book seller. If you have to get it from an online resource, you can. I'm only gonna judge a little bit.
Katie: We have alternative links that aren't that one place that you can purchase it from.
Katie: Yes. Including from Llewelyn.
Elliot: Yes, absolutely. Thank you for those kind words and thank you both for the wonderful resource that you give your listeners. This has just been such a treat for me and I hope to chat with both of you again.
Jim: Oh, I can't wait you. Yeah.
Katie: Maybe from London.
Elliot: Yes. I'd love that. We love you. Awesome. I love you too!
Jim: Everyone, thank you for listening. I hope you enjoyed our time that we spent with Reverend, Dr. Elliot Adam and we will see you next week on another episode of, What Katie?
Katie: Knit A S pell. See you then everyone.
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